Wizardry with Robert Woodhead and Justin Bailey, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, The Real Pallet Town

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[00:00:20] Working off this episode with the game section, as I chat about Wizardry, proving grounds

[00:00:24] of the mad overlord, the remaster of the original iconic dungeon crawler.

[00:00:28] But it's not just me, as I got a chance to chat with the co-creator of the Wizardry

[00:00:32] franchise, Robert Woodhead and Digital Eclipse's Justin Bailey about the revival of one

[00:00:37] of the most important games ever.

[00:00:39] Way dig into the original games legacy, how the new remastery is making it accessible for

[00:00:44] modern audiences and very important typos.

[00:00:47] And the game section continues as I chat about another revival of a classic RPG, Paper Mario

[00:00:52] that Thousand Year Door On Switch.

[00:00:55] And in the future segment, I take you to Machida, the inspiration for Pokemon's Palatown

[00:01:00] and guide you on how to find the city's hidden Pokemon.

[00:01:03] Let's start with the game section and Wizardry, proving grounds of the mad overlord with

[00:01:07] Robert Woodhead and Justin Bailey.

[00:01:09] Today we're going to be looking at Wizardry, proving grounds of the mad overlord from Digital

[00:01:20] Eclipse based on the first game in the Wizardry franchise.

[00:01:23] But of course I'm not alone as I'm joined by two very special guests.

[00:01:27] So guess, please introduce yourself.

[00:01:29] My name is Robert Woodhead and I'm one of the authors of the original Wizardry game.

[00:01:34] Justin Bailey and there were Digital Clips and Publishing.

[00:01:37] Thank you so much for joining me for those who don't know Robert, what is Wizardry?

[00:01:42] Wizardry is an early Dungeon Crawler game, at least first in 1981.

[00:01:47] Anything else would you say that it's an important game that came out?

[00:01:51] I'll leave it to other people to comment on its importance, but certainly it's been a well-loved

[00:01:57] game over the years and has spawned many sequels.

[00:02:01] And certainly I had a great deal of fun writing the game.

[00:02:05] There we are, 40 years later.

[00:02:07] We're still talking about it.

[00:02:09] Yeah, it's influenced really can't be overstated.

[00:02:12] It was the first adaptation of a D&D style tabletop game into a video game.

[00:02:16] If you played Baldur's Gate 3 last year, well this is the beginning of that.

[00:02:20] That game owes quite a lot to Wizardry even if you're going to play Pyramario soon

[00:02:24] on Switch.

[00:02:25] My game owes more to Wizardry than you'd expect.

[00:02:28] For one, Wizardry was the first RPG with a party that you could control.

[00:02:32] But for you, Robert, what do you think is the standout element of the first Wizardry game?

[00:02:37] That's actually a very difficult question to answer because in many ways we were sort

[00:02:42] of making it up as we went along and most of the decisions that were made in the game

[00:02:47] were, oh, that seems like a good idea to do this.

[00:02:50] I will correct you in that Wizardry really wasn't the first computer game with this type.

[00:02:55] It worked, games before Wizardry, but inspired Wizardry.

[00:02:58] Many of them on the Play-Doh system which was an early computer network that had games

[00:03:03] that were literally 15 to 20 years ahead of their time.

[00:03:06] We're talking early 1970s, multiplayer, nationwide gaming.

[00:03:13] But Wizardry was just our, myself and you can remember the other author of the game.

[00:03:19] It was just our attempt to take aspects of those games and the experience of playing

[00:03:24] tabletop, Dungeons & Dragons style games.

[00:03:28] And see how much of that we could cram into these thinking little Apple computers.

[00:03:33] But I think the thing that we really got right in the game was the gameplay loop.

[00:03:39] Although at the time, gameplay loops hadn't been invented yet.

[00:03:42] In Wizardry it was really pretty simple in terms of what you go down in the dungeon,

[00:03:46] you fight some monsters.

[00:03:47] But you always have that tension, but can I stretch my log and get another encounter?

[00:03:52] Or do I need to go back and recharge?

[00:03:55] And oh, I decide I'm going to go back and recharge and you're almost to the exit.

[00:04:00] And then you get an encounter and like am I going to completely lose everything because

[00:04:04] I pushed it too far?

[00:04:06] And that kind of tension is I think a big part of what made the game what it was.

[00:04:13] And the fun thing is when I see the remake that was done and also some of the other

[00:04:19] games that other people have done in Wizardry, the Wizardry Gaffney game which is coming

[00:04:25] out soon for phones.

[00:04:27] They all have that same kind of tension.

[00:04:30] Right.

[00:04:31] So it's very nostalgic for me to see that again.

[00:04:35] And now it's being remade or perhaps more accurately remastered from modern consoles, including

[00:04:39] the Nintendo Switch, with a dream proving grounds of the mad overlord.

[00:04:43] Justin, can you fill us in on how this project came to be?

[00:04:46] Yeah, the project was a really 40 years right around and it wasn't available for commercially

[00:04:52] for about 20 years.

[00:04:54] And it held a near and dear place in my heart.

[00:04:56] And so I had worked at Double Fine previously and helped do the re release of Grimfen

[00:05:02] Van Dango.

[00:05:03] That was another title that the commercial was unavailable for 15 years.

[00:05:06] And when I came out, I think watching the fan base really activated around.

[00:05:10] It was a very gratifying experience and that wasn't a game that I had grown up with.

[00:05:15] So my soul, Wizardry is one I had grown up with and yeah, I just think in myself,

[00:05:20] how can I be a part of helping bring that back?

[00:05:23] So found digital clips and connected with Robert here and then it led to a bunch of partners

[00:05:31] that we're talking to.

[00:05:33] The surretax, traycom and this whole trail of rights that we got to go down.

[00:05:39] But at the end of it is this amazing remake and our remaster and the team, Digital Clubs,

[00:05:45] when approached with this prospect, found out that a lot of them, they loved Wizardry, their

[00:05:51] fans.

[00:05:52] And one of the engineers in particular was looking at this as a challenge.

[00:05:56] To how can we do something to stay true to what Robert and Andy had created, but the

[00:06:01] updated for new audience.

[00:06:02] I don't know if you're familiar with the monkey island and how they did the switch back

[00:06:06] and forth between the old version.

[00:06:08] And that was another thing that was really inspiring.

[00:06:10] So the team decided they wanted to take it to a different level and what they did is they

[00:06:13] took the original Pascal code.

[00:06:15] This one engineer did this where he took it and converted to C++.

[00:06:20] We put that in our real, so we have the core logic, the exact logic as well.

[00:06:25] But yes, we can do that a little bit.

[00:06:28] And then we built on top of it obviously, the graphics and new UI, even huge controller

[00:06:33] now.

[00:06:34] And new sound, the Winifred to new composition for it.

[00:06:39] And so now we have this new presentation but also staying true to the old one.

[00:06:44] So it's actually accurate to say long-winded answer.

[00:06:47] Where we put this in is kind of a new category which is its support and a remaster.

[00:06:53] What was it important to use the original code?

[00:06:55] Why not just make it from the ground up in the Unreal Engine?

[00:06:58] That's digital eclipse as a studio.

[00:07:00] It always likes to be true and authentic to the original work.

[00:07:03] And so when you play this game and one of the things that actually frankly would love

[00:07:08] to hear Roberts take on this is that we presented the team, because of their work, to

[00:07:14] Robert to see us in pressure.

[00:07:16] So yeah, Robert, you came to Studio, right?

[00:07:18] You sat down and we put it up the games and what was kind of your take.

[00:07:23] It was really interesting because I hadn't seen my code in that way almost 35, 40 years.

[00:07:31] But that just blew me away when I saw it.

[00:07:33] I thought, wow, that was such a great decision to be.

[00:07:36] It was that you can pop up a little picture and picture window showing the original

[00:07:42] presentation of a game as well as at the same time the new presentation of a game.

[00:07:48] And you can see that there are an absolute lockstap.

[00:07:52] So you can see that the actual game itself, the game loop and all the decisions and all

[00:07:58] the dice rolls and all that sort of stuff is exactly the same as it was 40 years ago.

[00:08:04] But now since we have a computer with literally thousands of times more processing power

[00:08:10] and graphics power and all that sort of stuff, you can present that very same game much

[00:08:17] more graphically compelling way.

[00:08:20] And it was very interesting for me as a programmer to see how that different environment

[00:08:27] and different set of limitations that they had versus what I had, sort of guided their

[00:08:32] decisions about how they would do things and where they would spend those resources.

[00:08:37] And every time I looked at a particular part of the game and thought, how would I have

[00:08:44] solved this problem or done some particular thing.

[00:08:47] Their solution was either exactly the same as, yeah I would have done that myself or oh

[00:08:52] wow they actually thought of something that I didn't think of.

[00:08:56] So I was really pleased with the end result and I think it provides a way for the old

[00:09:01] tool gamers who already know what was a dream about to kind of see it in a new way in a more

[00:09:06] modern way but also the newer gamers who haven't seen Wizardry before.

[00:09:11] They can look at the two side by side and they can see what it was to play these kind of

[00:09:16] games in the early days but still have the same sort of graphical presentation and quality

[00:09:22] life features that modern games have.

[00:09:25] How do you feel about your code you wrote nearly 40 years ago being used in a game today?

[00:09:29] I think it's pretty cool.

[00:09:32] Although that means that more people have seen my code and some more people know

[00:09:36] all of them stakes I made and sort of the clunkiness.

[00:09:41] At the time of course I thought it was the biggest programmer that I did ever live.

[00:09:45] But in reality I was a young kid taking some college programming courses.

[00:09:52] I practiced a lot obviously because I was a real computer nerd but I'm much better

[00:09:59] programmer now than I was then and so I'm sure that if I went back and looked over the code

[00:10:04] line by line I'd be coming up.

[00:10:06] I did it that way but that said everything sort of worked out when we did the original game

[00:10:13] all the spirit of all those positions that we made as carried through into the new game and so

[00:10:18] I'm really happy about that.

[00:10:20] Justin digitally clips this known for retro game collections was there ever any thought

[00:10:24] at digitally clips about a wizardry collection or was the original idea always just a focus on

[00:10:30] making a new version of the old game?

[00:10:32] It's a great question.

[00:10:33] It's a question you could ask several times.

[00:10:36] Right now I think the focus is really just on this first ever series.

[00:10:40] I think it's really exciting to think about those other games and the potential of a release in the future

[00:10:45] but right now no plans it's the remasters coming out and at the recording this he'll be about 10 days

[00:10:52] and we're just excited to see the reaction of that.

[00:10:54] We had done it already for early access we were getting PC gamers, we're getting some feedback

[00:10:59] which has been great by the way.

[00:11:00] So it's a very positive rating on Steam and then also more important to us was to see people work

[00:11:08] what they enjoy but also potential pieces that we could smooth over so that's been invaluable for

[00:11:13] us and now that we have the console version coming out we've been all of the smooth all those

[00:11:17] rough edges off and now we get expanded to a new audience and we're hopeful that they'll see the

[00:11:23] treatment we've given it and they'll see how the as authentic true to their original work but

[00:11:28] the game is intended to be faithful to the original game but there are some quality of

[00:11:33] life additions as well just in can you touch on trying to balance these new additions while also

[00:11:38] trying to maintain the appeal of the original game. Yeah and that also goes back to early access

[00:11:42] which is a lot of fun when we first went out early access there wasn't even a save slot it just

[00:11:46] automatically saved that certain points and you could really access that you would stop and then

[00:11:50] you when you've been to back up there with you resume much of the first game save but we were talking

[00:11:55] about this in the original game if you were about to get a party wipe you had the option to actually

[00:12:00] get the discount and keep it from writing and this game you don't of course because there's no

[00:12:04] floppy drive so in a way it was true in the quality of life improvements weren't in there at the time

[00:12:09] so it was actually harder than their original that was fun to see people kind of and then all the

[00:12:13] animations were done you see you couldn't clean the game but we have placeholders on some of the

[00:12:17] animations that I would have been come later but during that whole next period from early access to

[00:12:22] now the focus has been on getting that quality of life peace correct and it's key to the game we

[00:12:28] want to be true to the original material but also it's approachable to new gamers and so the

[00:12:34] default that we've now come up with is kind of a hybrid between the two so when you come in the game

[00:12:40] you've almost three button pressures on your controller you can get right at the dungeon you can start

[00:12:45] exploring that part of you have this little bit it's it's first up to pre-made and the

[00:12:50] original game you had to go in and you had to go through these manuals right and to figure out

[00:12:54] it could take 30 minutes to an hour and if you were if you're trying to roll the dice to get the most

[00:13:00] optimal solution which I think happened here in Japan a lot yeah for an hour I could be even more

[00:13:05] time so we streamed up process now of course you can see you just use your controller we've taken

[00:13:12] up all the elements from the manual so you can actually see it in there but also have a point

[00:13:16] systems you can allocate the points rather than after roll it and then create your original

[00:13:20] party you can go in the dungeon and start exploring but the important thing to us was that if people

[00:13:26] wanted that original experience they could go in and turn on all those old school components

[00:13:31] which we've done so I would say one particular challenge though we ran into was the auto-mapper

[00:13:37] so games at this time you'll know hey spinners they have teleport traps and darkness and stuff

[00:13:43] which is all part of you getting your graph paper out and mapping it so how do you do that with an

[00:13:48] auto-mapper this game was not designing for the auto-mapper so we had to auto-mapper in early

[00:13:52] access and one of the things that happened is this kind of unreliable narrator thing existed so

[00:13:57] if you're in a place and you don't really know where you are the auto-mapper it kind of gets used

[00:14:02] and so what we had is people were playing in they're like this is broken because they didn't go

[00:14:06] look at it if you all own that stuff just that your character doesn't actually know where they are

[00:14:10] so actually ended up the fix to that was instead of doing one tile make it the tiles that you can

[00:14:15] just see directly around the player so now you would have the a tiles around the player update

[00:14:21] and the auto-mapper and then all said nobody thought it was broken anymore it just worked as

[00:14:24] those supposed to work and then we have the auto-mapper functionality in there but still obviously

[00:14:30] with the original game, original levels. Robert do you have any favorite quality of life addition

[00:14:34] to this new version or something you wish you could have included in the original Apple 2 game?

[00:14:39] Well the minimap obviously is something that I wish they had been invented at the time

[00:14:45] of the game but that's a kind of a hard question to answer because I still think of the game

[00:14:50] in terms of the original game that I wrote as one of the developers of the original game

[00:14:56] I don't think of it in terms of me playing the game it's more of me

[00:15:01] play testing the game when I actually played wizardry it was always in the feeling of play testing

[00:15:06] because I was always like oh some people reported the buck I've got to check them out and so

[00:15:10] it's kind of hard to get in the mindset of a player when you're the guy who wrote the game

[00:15:16] yeah so the quality of life stuff those are all kind of the obvious things that we expect

[00:15:21] in the game today and there were all things that either had never been thought of at the time

[00:15:26] we wrote the original game or even if we had thought of them oh we don't have an space on the

[00:15:31] disk to add them right so that's why that kind of question is the opposite of possible one to ask me

[00:15:38] because if I was going to play the game I'd turn them off although I still think you need to have

[00:15:43] a little disk I could on the pops up so that you can click it to simulate the Yankee of the

[00:15:48] disk and I'm gonna rag on you about that until you finally give up editing yeah that is

[00:15:54] something we'd have to look at for poster leaves yeah right no you have to hold up the release

[00:16:01] exactly I insist yeah I do have a question regarding how faithful this new game is

[00:16:06] to the original and the original game there's a sword in the game is the sword in the remake

[00:16:12] called Marumasa or Marusama oh this okay we're getting into the weeds so we have

[00:16:18] eight for the translation and that would be a question for them to answer and forcefully they

[00:16:23] literally talk to the room but that's why they're here in the audience basically to answer that

[00:16:28] but now it is the original so you have one piece of just throw this back at Robert it was

[00:16:33] just kind of cool so for instance it's words and all you call bugs and all you have to throw

[00:16:38] it's one instance there were pictures I anticipated there was a homage that was put in there

[00:16:45] to a famous property at the time that was released and you were talking about testing the game

[00:16:50] and so there was a bit that got switched and and so we found this in the code and it apparently

[00:16:55] turns out Robert was saying he was play testing it and that counter happened and the big

[00:17:00] flip because it's only one time occurrence so the big flip and then I'm like okay it works

[00:17:05] and then they shut down and ship the code but then it had been flipped on the code that got shipped

[00:17:11] so nobody ever saw it so it's so faithful that even those pieces are still in there there was

[00:17:15] another thing which is kind of cool with our programmer found out which was experience is calculated

[00:17:20] based on some stats from all through so frost and there was apparently an error in the code

[00:17:26] of how God calculated and so we fought that giant you got more experience than which would get

[00:17:31] based on just a flat stats and how it was done for all the other characters but we fixed it

[00:17:37] and they can't see my hands with the weirdo's and then the community came back and was like the

[00:17:41] giants are broken so we unfixed it. Robert can you fill us in on how the Muramasa sword came to be

[00:17:49] along with its original spelling. Well back at the time the wizardry was written there was a bit of

[00:17:56] a blip in terms of understanding of Japanese culture and you were mostly driven by the book

[00:18:03] and the mini series showed it and so we love that show and by the way the new show is really good

[00:18:09] but anyway so so there's a lot of things that kind of kind of put into wizardry just because we thought

[00:18:15] they were cool. I mean there's a multi python references and the reference we've talking about

[00:18:21] which is to fund art of our variant. And so we sort of said well Japanese stuff is cool we want

[00:18:30] to put cool stuff in our game. So the samurai is ninjas and so on and so forth and so we wanted to

[00:18:37] put some kind of Japanese weapons in the game and that's where the new Rosalina blade came from

[00:18:42] like saying it's actually Muramasa but typo didn't read it right so we got put in a pain correctly.

[00:18:49] So yeah that and but the bizarre thing about it is that because of the Japanese references

[00:18:56] in that I probably made it more popular here in Japan and Japan is where wizardry has kind of been

[00:19:03] sustained over the last 20, 30 years. It's always been had this really kind of cult status here

[00:19:12] and I think if we hadn't watched that TV show then maybe this would never happen and it just

[00:19:19] shows you how contingent things are and how just these purely little random things can have massive

[00:19:26] butterfly effect type results 40 years later. And the release date for 1.0 of this with a tree

[00:19:32] re-raster it was announced not too long ago digitally clips tweeted it out and it got about 385 likes

[00:19:38] the Japanese wizardry account we did the same information and it got over 5000 likes. So touching

[00:19:43] on what you just said wizardry has a really fascinating legacy in Japan is the interesting wizardry

[00:19:47] in Japan just because there was a Muramasa blade or is there something deeper to it than that?

[00:19:53] It's really hard to say and I'm not sure that I'm the right person to ask that question but

[00:19:59] I think one reason is that it was one of the first whirlpooling games to come over from

[00:20:07] the US. The first time I came to Japan it was to help with the localization of the game

[00:20:13] which was a very interesting project on its own and so as it's one of the first ones to come over

[00:20:19] and because it was localized and came out basically every PC platform in Japan had a disproportionate

[00:20:27] impact and eventually a family conversion came out. And personally I think until this new

[00:20:34] or remaster the family conversion was the best for the new wizardry and I had absolutely nothing

[00:20:39] to do with it which is very embarrassing. And there are a lot of Japanese exclusive wizardry titles

[00:20:45] and since the game is coming to an end of Switch I've really been interested in wizardry's

[00:20:49] history as a portable game but first Justin what can you tell us about the end of Switch version

[00:20:54] with a drape proving grounds of the mad overlord? The Switch version I think the focus for us was

[00:21:01] unringing the Japanese language. I think you'll see the console versions and the PC version

[00:21:07] proparity across the Switch and Sony PlayStation 4 and 5 and the next box but the thing we did

[00:21:14] notice right away the few mentioned this other tweets we were selling the second best-selling territory

[00:21:19] after the US was basically Japan and at the time we had no Japanese translations and so we're

[00:21:25] okay well we need to get this right so that's what we we got a 4 and they took a wonderful job so I'm

[00:21:32] really excited for the Japanese audience to get to see that but one of the reasons we didn't actually

[00:21:37] add that to the really access size because we're okay it's so popular here from your dear to this area

[00:21:42] that we want to make sure we got it right. And there are many Japanese developers who have all right

[00:21:47] said wizardry inspired their games perhaps the most famous being Uji Hori the creator of Dragon Quest

[00:21:52] and from Dragon Quest we have so many other JRPGs perhaps a straighter line would be the

[00:21:57] etchry and oddsea series or the mystery dungeon series. Robert when you first started to play

[00:22:01] Japanese games that were inspired by wizardry were you surprised or amazed about how they utilized

[00:22:06] wizardry's core ideas and to what essentially became a new genre of gaming? I only have

[00:22:11] really second-hand knowledge about because I haven't played too many of the Japanese games or at

[00:22:16] at least I haven't played them you know it's kind of weird because I get the most fun

[00:22:22] out of writing software and doing things like that so I'm not a huge gamer. I play games

[00:22:29] right so it's every couple of years a game will come out that obsess over for a few weeks

[00:22:37] but it's not I'm continually playing them. The knowledge I get of Japanese games is always second-hand

[00:22:43] people telling me oh somebody said this last year I met Hori Sun for the first time. Oh wow last

[00:22:50] year yeah and so in preparation for that meeting I'd played Dragon Quest before a little bit but I

[00:22:59] replayed the game a little bit and I could tell after I met him I could see his personality in the

[00:23:06] game okay it's sense of humor and I can see the influences of wizardry and ultimate in that game

[00:23:14] but I could also see how he'd and in particular how he had done what all good game designers do

[00:23:21] which is they they try to make the best use of the resources that they have and in particular

[00:23:29] in Japanese games one of the things that really kind of molded them in the early days was that

[00:23:34] Japanese computers were much better at tile graphics than US computers were because in part

[00:23:39] because they had to handle contests okay and so you can see when you're playing that game

[00:23:46] how he had really exploited that particular strength and and squeezed the most he could out of it

[00:23:54] and that allowed him to spend more resources on sort of narrative aspects of the game which

[00:24:01] in the early parts of wizardry the narrative is fairly simple and a lot of it is

[00:24:07] lore that's outside the game in a manual and stuff like words in the Japanese game because

[00:24:13] of the different limitations he was able to put more of it actually into the gameplay experience

[00:24:18] which as a designer working at the same time that he was on that game I could really appreciate

[00:24:24] the RPG and dungeon crawler genre has come along ways since wizardries original release

[00:24:29] so Justin how does this game appeal to experience players in the genre in 2024

[00:24:35] yeah one day I think I had heard the one about dragon boss before and uh the other

[00:24:40] inspirations that occur which I haven't heard many people make the correlation as demon souls

[00:24:45] so one thing that happens and wizardry is if you're part of the did get white

[00:24:51] you could actually put a new part together and then go down to dungeon and grab their bodies

[00:24:56] and get the equipment and stuff and that was something you never really saw happen again

[00:25:00] until demon souls came back and that was one of the inspirations that actually led to that design

[00:25:05] in that game so it's cool to see someone that happened 30 years after wizardry I think it shows

[00:25:11] just how far reaching there's such a bad idea that took 30 years before somebody tried to

[00:25:16] Justin do you have any tips or advice for people coming to wizardry for the first time

[00:25:20] thanks to this new release yeah we made it we smoothed it over a little bit my advice to those

[00:25:24] people if they want to challenge go turn all the old school option on but if they want

[00:25:29] we have tuned it with the options that are on so if you about part of them which you would expect

[00:25:34] from most the games but that's wizardry that's part of its appeal and if you've been exposed to it

[00:25:39] before open the menu up look at all the options that you have to kind of tweak it so it can be

[00:25:44] experienced you want if not if it's your first time then jump in the dungeon and start doing a few

[00:25:50] battles and just play this classic in a new presentation but actually the same logic and balancing

[00:25:58] for the same logic tables and the same monsters everything as it was when it was released for

[00:26:02] years here what about you Robert what advice would you give to people coming to wizardry for the

[00:26:07] first time don't push your luck yeah that's the number one thing wizardry players learn really

[00:26:14] quickly is you've got to really be aware of the risk reward in terms of going a little deeper

[00:26:23] or I don't want to wait to the time of going back to town to rest up my characters and get my

[00:26:27] siblings back right and many many wizardry adventures have ended with getting killed two steps away

[00:26:35] from the exit which is convenient when you want to go down and pick them off again yeah of course

[00:26:41] Robert do you have a favorite floor of the maze or maybe just a favorite trap oh wait which ones are

[00:26:47] yeah we did that's just our initials are in the maze both of us but I don't remember what level

[00:26:57] that is let's see I don't really think that that I have a favorite actually the the probably

[00:27:06] actually my favorite version of the game was was the original playtest version we did which the

[00:27:13] code was mostly working but the the dungeon was ridiculously unbalanced you could basically run into

[00:27:20] the devil on level one and which and that this is a version that we actually sold at a computer game

[00:27:28] convention a few months before it was it was basically beta test although this was before beta testing

[00:27:34] and so we actually sold the test version at the convention and then told people the whole

[00:27:42] sensual final version when it comes out and so that version was called the dungeons of despair

[00:27:48] and there's those original discats that are a few and far between but I told people still

[00:27:54] playing I've held on to them and so that version that version of the game with all

[00:28:01] it's terrible flaws and and the bugs that we still haven't stopped I guess because it was actually

[00:28:07] the first time other people had gotten a chance to play it I'd say that was my favorite okay final

[00:28:13] question for both Justin and Robert what's the thing that most excited you about people getting their

[00:28:17] hands on the finished version of this game the money yeah I think it goes back to Robert and

[00:28:26] I was really excited for Robert to get to see when we were early in development you approached

[00:28:30] the team was taking with the game because I know when I got my hands on it and sat down and saw

[00:28:35] the apple two graphics basically I'm a screen and then picked up a controller and actually started

[00:28:41] to offer into that that was just that was a crazy moment yeah this is amazing that's like

[00:28:44] this weird thing about blending the old and new so that's why I hope people that if it's

[00:28:49] something that they grew up with but they see their appreciate the detail those put into it

[00:28:55] and if it's something new and we've seen this at some conventions and stuff where we saw a father

[00:28:59] us on and the father was playing the old school one on apple two and the son was sitting there

[00:29:03] playing the new one on the console those are amazing moments so I hope it's kind of intergenerational

[00:29:08] and everybody kind of appreciate the similar game that helps kind of get the JRPG already knowing

[00:29:14] what about you Robert well obviously I hope people enjoy the aim and have fun with it playing

[00:29:21] it as I had writing it I mean I'm constantly amazed that 40 years later this silly thing that I

[00:29:27] did and a desperate attempt to avoid actually having to get a real job actually worked and

[00:29:33] factors ultimately never having to get a real job so it's really grateful for that so yeah I would just

[00:29:39] say I hope that the new players enjoyed as much as the original wizardry players enjoyed it awesome

[00:29:46] well that was a look at with a tree proving grounds of the matter of reward both old and new

[00:29:51] Robert woodhead and Justin Bailey thanks for joining me so it's 2024 and wizardry is back but you know

[00:30:00] what else is back that's right I game that may not exist without wizardry kicking off this whole

[00:30:05] video game RPG thing paper Mario that thousand year door this is a full blown remake of the 2004

[00:30:11] Gankube sequel to paper Mario and intelligence systems is indeed handling it when it comes to paper

[00:30:17] Mario I don't want to see just hand it off to another dev or tapey author did an amazing job with

[00:30:22] Super Mario RPG but for those first two paper Mario games I do think it's important for the original

[00:30:27] company and even some of the original devs to have their hands on it. Ruelta Kawade the chief director

[00:30:33] of the original two games returns here as the ambiguous supervisor this is actually his first game

[00:30:39] credit since coding steam since he was on the now defunct fire emblem cipher card game.

[00:30:44] He seems to be very hands off these days which it's kind of sad because he directed some amazing

[00:30:49] games I could probably do an episode entirely just about the legacy of the thousand year door

[00:30:55] the original sold a couple of million probably turned a tidy profit but I would suddenly call it a

[00:30:59] cult classic in some ways due to how the game is evangelized by the hardcore very vocal fans

[00:31:06] since the paper Mario series took a hard pivot from RPGs to you know not RPGs or things that are

[00:31:12] RPG light it does serve as the ultimate example of the potential of a Mario RPG for many people

[00:31:17] me though I definitely rank paper Mario 64 above the thousand year door. Paper Mario is maybe my

[00:31:24] favorite game ever it's either that or Super Mario world again something like two of the kingdom

[00:31:29] is probably better than paper Mario but I think that's just a perfect game in so many ways

[00:31:35] so I was really hyped for the thousand year door as a kid and while I certainly enjoyed the game a lot

[00:31:40] I did walk away thinking um Paper Mario 64 is better. I think the biggest issue I had was

[00:31:46] the pacing of the game and the backtracking which I do think is somewhat infamous so I am curious to

[00:31:51] come back to the game all these years later and see if my opinion has changed or if intelligence

[00:31:56] systems put in a lot of new additions to smooth over those rough edges so far I'm having a lot of

[00:32:01] fun with the remake and there are some great additions for people who have memorized every element

[00:32:06] of the original it's a very faithful remake but intelligence systems is not shy about changing things

[00:32:12] this is what I want from a remake. I prefer some things to be remixed or just made more interesting

[00:32:17] than just treating the original game like you will some sort of infallible object. In terms

[00:32:22] of new content there's not a whole lot there's a purple toe that pops up every now and then

[00:32:26] whom you can practice attacks against there's also a neat art gallery and a few extra boss fights

[00:32:31] but most of the best changes are small things to add up. There's edge guarding now so you won't

[00:32:36] just fall into the water there are more warp pipes to help you navigate the world one of the

[00:32:41] more noticeable ones from the presentation standpoint it's now all the dialogue scenes are voiced

[00:32:46] via the type sound effects this adds a ton of personality to the game it's just a simple

[00:32:52] thing but it adds so much I don't want to go over the rest of the changes because there are literally

[00:32:58] hundreds of them and if you've never played the game before you probably don't care that the

[00:33:03] battle thing now changes based on if the enemy got first striker dot but all the changes I have

[00:33:08] noticed have been for the better and it does give hardcore fans who have played this game over and

[00:33:12] over again new things to experience but let's talk about the actual game I'm not too far into it

[00:33:18] I've cleared chapter two but as expected the game does hold up incredibly well it has such a dynamic

[00:33:23] and fun battle system that only gets better as you go along since you get access to many

[00:33:27] amazing badge abilities that let you execute a lot of fun attacks in battle it's very easy for an

[00:33:32] RPG battle system to grow dull or become stale but thousand year door has a great one that just

[00:33:38] keeps surprising you like I said with Super Mario RPG last year there's just something inherently

[00:33:43] fun about timing button presses in an RPG battle if it's the simplest thing in the world but it always

[00:33:48] works and the game builds on the batch system of the original where you can equip them to Mario which

[00:33:53] grant some special moves abilities and just general power ups there's dozens of them and each one

[00:33:59] really does feel like it has a game changing potential you're going to want that multi-bounce badge

[00:34:04] on trust me it is far to buff your HP and FP a little bit but you need to spend most of your

[00:34:09] level ups on increasing your BP so you can equip more and more badges it's fun to start up with

[00:34:14] just your Piddly little one-damaged jump then suddenly you have like eight specialized jump attacks

[00:34:19] that all do different things thanks to the badges I also like the design to the badges themselves

[00:34:25] they look like kind of crystal pin badges why isn't Nintendo selling these things make a blindbox badge

[00:34:32] come on this is free money but beyond the stellar battle system a big part of the game's appeal

[00:34:37] and why it has such hardcore fans is the storytelling and setting the story is not amazing conceptually

[00:34:43] Pete is kidnapped and Mario needs to collect seven stars to free here but on your journey to get them

[00:34:48] you visit unusual places with instantly memorable characters that's often backed up with a funny script

[00:34:53] the standout location is easily rogue port which serves as the game's hub it's a CD port filled with

[00:34:59] pirates and thieves something you wouldn't expect in a Mario game at all it has a bit of an edge to

[00:35:04] it but it's not dark in a serious way everyone is still very goofy and the themes are like

[00:35:10] man i love stealing but it's just such an uncarious to drastically grindy local for Mario

[00:35:17] the futuristic ex-naughts also standout as a distinct threat we're in the Mario world but we are

[00:35:22] seeing a side of it that hasn't really appeared in the franchise before or since and for Mario

[00:35:27] Hardcore's it's just fun to see all the obscure enemies roaming around rope port like mouslers and bandits

[00:35:32] rope port is where you stop in between chapters to move the story along and to buy things but it's

[00:35:37] crammed with a ton of secrets and interesting places to visit there's also a side quest board that

[00:35:41] sends you all over the city to do tasks for the locals it really is an excellent hub area when

[00:35:46] you're excited to visit in between chapters and not just because you get to hear it exciting totally

[00:35:50] factual Luigi story let's talk about the worst change though it's now 30 fps as opposed to the original

[00:35:56] 60 fps now 60 fps is better than 30 at all times i live my life 60 frames at a time and you should

[00:36:04] too however it's never been a deal break for me if a game is 30 is 30 i'm still gonna play it

[00:36:11] and considering how richly textured the graphics in the world is i do understand intelligence system saying

[00:36:17] let's keep it at 30 so we can pull off more interesting visual effects

[00:36:21] i do think this has a negative effect when it comes to menus and animation though

[00:36:25] there's definitely a bit of menu lag which you kind of don't want in a menu based RPG

[00:36:29] the flow of a battle or item management does feel slower than it should for one when you get the

[00:36:34] stars to booster meter i don't think it's necessarily a frame rate problem but after each turn

[00:36:39] there's a pause then the stars come from the audience they swirl and go into your starbar so

[00:36:44] these seconds really add up also like i mentioned before the game does have a pretty absurd amount

[00:36:49] of backtracking since the level design is very reminiscent of a 2D side scroller

[00:36:53] who often you go back and forth these hallway-esque sections of the map i just hit the tree

[00:36:58] dungeon in man you really got to go up the tree then down the tree then back up the tree then

[00:37:02] back down with the punies then farther down with them then go back up to get them then back down again

[00:37:07] the game really likes to stretch out these small areas there are more war pipes which helps

[00:37:12] mitigate this but it's clear that paper Mario's level and world design has come a long way

[00:37:17] or a gaming king whatever you may think about that games battle system the level design is excellent

[00:37:22] they toss you into these large areas with a lot of secrets to find in optional places to explore

[00:37:26] there's also a lot of fun puzzles and many games to encounter obviously the ultimate dream would be

[00:37:30] for them to take the level design of origami king and marry it with the battle system in character

[00:37:35] growth of the thousand year door you can make this game intelligence systems no one is stopping you

[00:37:40] at least i don't think so but looping back around to some positive elements the game looks

[00:37:45] amazing and the soundtrack is even better than ever it's going for a different art style that's

[00:37:50] much more focused on real estate lighting and Mario is made up of parts as opposed to just being

[00:37:55] one big cutout the graphics have more depth to them and i like a lot of the other smaller touches

[00:37:59] like the menu backgrounds for some segments are made of paper with wrinkles and unique shading

[00:38:04] i would say overall it's definitely a bit darker visually like do a one the one comparison

[00:38:09] between the game cube and switch versions the game cube version does look like a picture book

[00:38:13] while the switch version has more of a diorama feel i can see some people maybe preferring the

[00:38:18] game cube art style since it's much more vivid but i do like how i s is pretty experimental with

[00:38:23] paper Mario's visuals i think eventually you do run into a wall in terms of making the most realistic

[00:38:28] paper ever the soundtrack is also way more vibrant and rich again this is just a benefit of

[00:38:33] technology and getting to remix the original existing tracks but there is a badge that lets you

[00:38:38] listen to the original game cube music if you are that nostalgic like last year's super Mario RPG

[00:38:44] it is the best looking and best sounding remake it could possibly be though sorry paper Mario

[00:38:50] you can't top yoko shima mora no matter how hard you try it's both somewhat crazy and fascinating

[00:38:55] that Nintendo put out two remakes of beloved Mario RPGs in a six month span super Mario RPG in

[00:39:01] November and now this one they are pretty different though super Mario RPG is basically a dragon quest

[00:39:06] style Mario game while paper Mario is much more distinct in terms of its battle system

[00:39:11] character growth and overall exploration and it's great for me that they were released so closely

[00:39:15] together because now i can just compare them and say which one is better not this episode though

[00:39:20] i do want to let credits roll on thousand year door but please look forward to my ultimate paper

[00:39:25] Mario ranking in a future episode and by ultimate i mean i did in place sticker star or color splash

[00:39:31] or paper jam or the rest i've got it covered alright that's all for games now let's move on to

[00:39:37] the feature on machita the real life palatown all right today's feature is on the real

[00:39:48] life palatown machita in the vast Tokyo metropolis now how is this the real life palatown

[00:39:54] well it's claimed to fame is that machita is the hometown of cytositejidi the creator of pokemon

[00:40:00] here is where all began where the concept of pokemon was born and while there's no giant

[00:40:05] cytositejidi museum yet the city does celebrate the series with the installation of six poka lids

[00:40:11] so yes this is going to be a quasi sequel to the poka lids feature i did with a low-low pixie

[00:40:16] fu episodes ago if you want all the deeds on poki lids please check out that episode

[00:40:21] today i want to focus mainly on exploring machita finding the poki lids and other unexpected

[00:40:26] fun things you can find in yes the real life palatown now if you don't know a lot of the places

[00:40:31] in pokemon are based on real life locations especially early on in those first four generations

[00:40:36] that take place in quote unquote japan a lot will fly completely over your head if you've never been

[00:40:41] to Japan and many of those places are based on kind of nontore stearias or places that aren't really

[00:40:46] famous obviously Mount silver is Mount Fuji but i don't think a whole lot of people know about

[00:40:50] machita off the top of their head and yes i know some people have said that palatown is based on

[00:40:55] a place in chizuoka because if you overlay the poka manteo map with japan is closer to chizuoka

[00:41:02] but that doesn't make sense because these places weren't meant to be exactly one to one

[00:41:06] and tajiri is from machita and the installation of the poki lids pretty much confirms that palatown

[00:41:11] is supposed to be machita where at least heavily inspired by it she's a kureli has zero

[00:41:16] poki lids which honestly is a bit surprising but for those who haven't listened to my poki

[00:41:20] lids episode just yet poki lids are pokman themed utility lid covers that are installed all over

[00:41:25] Japan to promote local tourism so you go to visit the poki lids because you're a big pokman nerd

[00:41:30] but you also enjoy the other activities in the area and most importantly spend some money all

[00:41:35] the lids have colorful one of a kind art of the pokman and they're often inspired by the

[00:41:39] areas local culture or customs they're mostly in off the beaten path travel locations

[00:41:45] Tokyo City itself only has two two out of the 300 plus installed all over Japan

[00:41:50] but machita which is in the Tokyo prefecture but not in the city proper has six of them

[00:41:55] so often machita i went to find all the poki lids and see what else it had to offer

[00:42:00] the city of machita itself at first it seems like every single suburb or extension of Tokyo you've

[00:42:05] ever seen when you step out of the station you'll see the usual department stores and restaurants and

[00:42:09] streets obviously is changed quite a bit from when Satoshi to Jiryu was a kid in the 70s

[00:42:15] but there are still places in machita that do evoke the quaint homey nature of palatown

[00:42:19] stop one was obviously set a guy apart where all six poki lids are housed it's not too far

[00:42:24] from the station so you can easily find it when you hop off the train i did some research and the

[00:42:29] park opened up in 1982 so no it's not the exact spot where to Jiryu hunted for bugs which then

[00:42:34] served at the inspiration for pokémon but it is a huge lush park with some giant sculptures

[00:42:39] and event area that's filled with food trucks and plenty of quiet spots including pond filled with

[00:42:45] ducks and koi fish poki lids aside i was quite impressed by the park overall there is just

[00:42:50] so much greenery and it feels less artificial than a lot of parks grass is allowed to be a bit

[00:42:55] overgrown there are bubbling streams and ducks roam around it would certainly be worth checking

[00:42:59] out even if there were zero poki lids but fortunately there are save to my phone i had a

[00:43:04] map of the park with the location of the poki lids on the official poki lids website you could just

[00:43:09] look up each letting it a precise google map location but the pick i had was kind of a cartoony

[00:43:14] rendition of the park you know it's also incredibly accurate so it was like a fun scavenger hunt

[00:43:18] we're at the keeper far into the map almost like a mini map literally the first lady will come across

[00:43:24] is close to the entrance of the park and in front of this giant twisting sculpture it's pigeon

[00:43:29] ratta with a bit of Pikachu's tail on the very edge the lead also has a picture of the

[00:43:33] sculpture which you can see from the lid it's always really cool how the lids are so smartly

[00:43:36] designed and try to integrate the local areas unique elements onto the design of the lid

[00:43:42] around the same sculpture is squirtle the sculpture is in the middle of a man-made fountain so i

[00:43:47] guess squirtle would hang out there all the lids are pretty much in places where you would

[00:43:51] theoretically find the poki on the polywag lid is near some water the weedle,

[00:43:56] cedar pee and audits lid are next to some trees perhaps the funniest one is charmander

[00:44:01] which is not too far from a fire hazard warning i mean that can't be a coincidence right

[00:44:06] the ultimate lead of course being bulbous ore is likely the last one you'll find

[00:44:10] asks it's the furthest back in the park next to some shrubs

[00:44:14] while a charmander in squirtle look like they have the legs of red on the design

[00:44:17] but what's more actually has leaf the socks in the skirt are dead giveaway so it's

[00:44:22] going to see this character get a bit of recognition there were definitely a few people in the park

[00:44:25] who were aware of the poki lids and were hunting them down too to take pictures

[00:44:29] as i see everyone so excited about seeing them and the whole point of poki lids was to

[00:44:33] give people to visit areas they probably wouldn't normally check out otherwise i mean if there

[00:44:37] were no poki lids i can't say i would have ever visited machita after the park i would for lunch

[00:44:42] i wasn't sure if machito was famous for any food so i would just such a grap for restaurant when

[00:44:46] one caught my eye genies is your typical Japanese steak restaurant where the meat is served on a big

[00:44:52] sizzling hot plate but what caught my eye is that the shape of the restaurant looks like a big boat

[00:44:58] it's done a repurposed boat by any means it's just the shape of one with anchors and

[00:45:02] porthole windows and everything inside also has a lot of nautical maps and similar

[00:45:06] theming why honestly i have no idea the name genies itself may be inspired by Disney because the

[00:45:13] TVs inside of the restaurant were showing beauty in the beast so maybe some Disney o-taku is

[00:45:18] running the joint oh and there was also a bunch of scalds in everywhere not spooky skeleton so

[00:45:23] they were wearing these fun hats and sunglasses the steak it was pretty good i wasn't disappointed

[00:45:29] i can't say it's a must visit restaurant but it is fun to take pictures of from the outside

[00:45:33] after lunch i headed for what is likely much does most famous tourist attraction much to squirrel garden

[00:45:38] this is a bit of a waste from the station so you will need to take a bus for about

[00:45:42] 10 to 15 minutes to get there now this place is basically a mini zoo with the main attraction

[00:45:47] being the titular squirrel garden were over 200 squirrels roam around it's a big open area with

[00:45:52] interconnecting roots and scattered throughout the place are a bunch of colorfully decorated bird

[00:45:56] houses where the squirrels live so not really bird houses i guess squirrel houses to be honest it didn't

[00:46:02] feel like 200 squirrels live there since i assume a lot were hiding in their house or in other areas

[00:46:06] but you do see quite a few of them running around and the best part is that yes you can feed the

[00:46:12] squirrels you pay a couple hundred yen for an oven mitt and some sunflower seeds and they will eat

[00:46:17] right out of your hand this is probably the closest i've ever been to a squirrel they don't seem

[00:46:22] to be scared by humans as long as you have food i didn't try to pet the squirrels while they were

[00:46:27] eating though i probably wouldn't want to be petted during a meal but it is a unique area basically

[00:46:32] a mini zoo solely dedicated to squirrels there are parts of the garden dedicated to other animals like

[00:46:37] turtles and parrots and guinea pigs but you're here for the squirrels the gishop also has a ton of

[00:46:43] squirrel merch if that's what you're into in the way though it's a fun little place to check out

[00:46:47] that offers a unique experience now right across from the street of the squirrel garden is yaku

[00:46:51] shiki park yet another park overflowing with greenery but this one has more of a Japanese style to it

[00:46:57] there's a huge pond in the middle with arched bridges which makes for some great photo ops

[00:47:02] in terms of scenery this easily top set a guy apart but that park is a bit more family oriented while

[00:47:06] yaku shiki park is a place you visit to quietly contemplate it has some flowers and

[00:47:11] plants you'd expect like the Japanese Babel trees but one of these standout sections was this

[00:47:16] was stereogarden where they were stereoplanets hang overhead and you can walk under them

[00:47:21] i've seen a few places have the same sort of setup and it doesn't get old when the was sterearine

[00:47:25] bloom again just great photo ops further than the park you'll also see kind of a small farm with

[00:47:31] terrorist areas and old-edou arabaldings the whole area was just wonderfully atmospheric and going back

[00:47:37] to much of being palatown these parks do evoke the feeling of exploring nature and catching pokemon

[00:47:43] even though so much has changed from to Jerry's childhood there are still places that

[00:47:46] catch the rustic and quiet atmosphere of where your pokemon adventure began after the park i went

[00:47:51] to the station and hung around the main shopping area for a bit there's a hobby off where i did

[00:47:55] find a cheap version of pokemon gold for only 800 yen but there's also a book off with quite an

[00:48:01] retro game area it's actually decorated with plushies and posters including a really cool psychedelic

[00:48:05] looking super Mario world poster where Mario is giving the peace sign and he's surrounded by all

[00:48:10] the power ups it kind of looks like a mandala and yes i did manage to find a copy of pokemon red

[00:48:15] and green in box but both were over 5000 yen man i really should have bought every box copy

[00:48:21] of the gameboy pokemon games for 1000 yen each when i had the chance so that was my little

[00:48:26] excursion to machida the real life palatown and say very pleasant day trip from tokio especially

[00:48:30] for those like me who have been here for years and are kind of wondering there are any worthwhile

[00:48:34] day trips left the answer is always yes as tokio is deceptively huge and areas you never expect

[00:48:40] to be interesting can still thrill you if you're visiting tokio with limited time it might

[00:48:45] be worse spending a whole afternoon here unless you badly want to see the pokielads like if

[00:48:50] your choice for day trip is niko or machida go to niko but if you live in pokio this is a

[00:48:56] pleasant place to check out for a morning and afternoon and now my pokielad count has jumped from

[00:49:01] two to eight just 300 plus more to go oh and i did make a little documentary about my trip

[00:49:06] and submit it to min max's doc lightning event which isn't a few days if you're listening to this

[00:49:10] day one or it's already out if you're a bit late to listen to the podcast so just check my youtube

[00:49:16] channel to see the video is there Tokyo Game Life on YouTube that's it for the future now for some news

[00:49:28] the most expensive news is a week is that Lego revealed the heavily rumored Zelda set

[00:49:33] is the decutary but it actually has two versions the ocarina of time decutary and the one from

[00:49:38] breath of the wild you can't build both at the same time so you gotta choose one to display

[00:49:42] it also comes with four minifigs kid and adult link from ocarina of time and Zelda and link

[00:49:47] from breath of the wild the price just a breezy $300 or 41,000 yen so yeah it's an easy skip for me

[00:49:56] i do like these minifigs though but i don't think they're want to sell them individually

[00:50:00] maybe years down the line but for now i could just look at them through glass or something

[00:50:05] the price is pretty absurd though especially the japanese price

[00:50:08] Lego is fairly popular here there are Lego stores in Tokyo and even in Lego theme park

[00:50:13] but every time i check them out they're just so expensive

[00:50:16] it's one of those hobbies you can't really just have casually you gotta be all in on Lego

[00:50:21] even if i got this for free there's the room in my house to display it the minifigs of plenty of room

[00:50:27] some Tokyo related news if you remember last year i did a feature on a Pikachu themed

[00:50:31] afternoon tea set at a fancy hotel in Tokyo well guess what EV is jumping in with EV friends

[00:50:37] afternoon tea starting this July not only limited to Tokyo though there are dates in Yokama,

[00:50:42] Chiba, Nagoya, Saitama, Miyagi, Kyoto, Osaka but hey i'm just going to go to the Tokyo one

[00:50:48] it won't be the same place as the Pikachu tea set though this EV one will be held in

[00:50:52] aliyama same grace cathedral which is a wedding venue but you don't need to be getting married to

[00:50:57] enjoy the tea set my wife is a big fan of afternoon tea so i'll be trying to get a reservation for this one

[00:51:03] the Pikachu one wasn't that hard but you do need to reserve a bit ahead of time last bit of news

[00:51:07] dragon quest is back sorta on dragon quest day the official accounts posted a teaser

[00:51:13] relating to dragon quest 3 HD2D they confirmed the platforms which is all of them including the switch

[00:51:20] basically an announcement of it announcement but since we had three years of radio silence when it

[00:51:24] comes to dQ3 HD2D news anything is welcome i'm excited for the game but also a bit curious

[00:51:30] what exactly they're going to add dQ3 is already on the switch via the ugly mobile ports

[00:51:36] so i do feel like there needs to be some significant additions in terms of content to make

[00:51:40] people interested in the game i'd love new classes for example but dQ3 is dQ3 it's an iconic

[00:51:48] game in the japanese gaming pantheon so you don't want to touch it too much maybe like withdry

[00:51:53] there could be options do you want old school experience or something more geared towards a

[00:51:57] modern audience if square markets it correctly or if Nintendo really helps push it as a major title

[00:52:02] it should easily be a huge hit in Japan unless they totally botch it i'd definitely want to jump back

[00:52:07] in though dQ3 on the gbc was my first mainline dragon quest game i thought it was quite hard and never

[00:52:13] completed it so now i can make up for all these years later unless i never complete this remake

[00:52:18] either which means after way another 20 years for another dQ3 remake there is also the rumor that

[00:52:24] it might not just be dQ3 though but instead the entire low-to-trylg aka dragon quest 1 2 and 3 all in

[00:52:31] ht2d i mean cool but dragon quest 3 is the best one right you could easily sell the ht2d version of

[00:52:38] dragon quest 3 for 50 to 60 dollars not sure why they would put forth the determinist effort to remake

[00:52:43] the other two games instead of just adding fun things to dragon quest 3 but i expect we will see the

[00:52:48] game either at sgf or an Nintendo direct at the latest all right that's all for now thanks as always

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